(b)
Total number of ways$= {\ ^{5}C}_{4} \times {\ ^{8}C}_{6} \times {\ ^{5}C}_{5} \times {\ ^{8}C}_{5}$
$= \frac{5!}{4! \times 1!} \times \frac{8!}{2! \times 6!} + \frac{8!}{5! \times 3!}$
$= \frac{5 \times 8 \times 7}{2} + \frac{8 \times 7 \times 6}{6}$
$= 140 + 56 = 196$